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		<title>By: Sage</title>
		<link>http://mindtomouth.org/2010/02/pollan-on-a-roll/comment-page-1/#comment-703</link>
		<dc:creator>Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Jul 2010 19:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug, here&#039;s a pretty thorough analysis of the data in the China Study...&lt;a href=&quot;http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug, here&#8217;s a pretty thorough analysis of the data in the China Study&#8230;<a href="http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Sage</title>
		<link>http://mindtomouth.org/2010/02/pollan-on-a-roll/comment-page-1/#comment-701</link>
		<dc:creator>Sage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jul 2010 17:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No, I have not read the book, The China Study, but I&#039;ve read some of the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.westonaprice.org/faq/792-faq-vegetarianism-and-veganism.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;back and forth comments&lt;/a&gt; between critics and authors. Like most of the &quot;to eat meat or not&quot; debates both sides get emotional and downright snippy about the other side&#039;s authority on the subject and even the other side&#039;s moral character. And here is why I care very little about the results of the study or the findings in the book. Of course I read books like this quite a bit because the science gives us information we can use culturally to create authority on a subject- but when it comes to food, we used to just know. You didn&#039;t have to prove yourself as a peer-reviewed academic to know that what you and your people had been eating for their whole history was the right stuff, because your people were healthy (or at lease did not see the kind of rampant chronic disease we now have) And people have eaten animal protein and have avoided chronic diseases. So I lament the fact that all this work is being done in a lab and through industry and not through a strong and delicious food culture like we have always had before. 

The second point about this debate I find frustrating is again the point that there is no such thing as &quot;meat&quot;. No creature or entity is healthy on its own or healthy as someone else&#039;s food (and aren&#039;t we all, eventually, that) if we don&#039;t get our optimal diet. Of course eating cow that ate corn isn&#039;t going to work. For either the cow or the person.

I also don&#039;t appreciate the extrapolation of many of these studies to more extreme diets than the one studied. For example the Mediterranean diet, you will see that they observed that they eat a good amount of yogurt and then the recommendation from this observation is to eat low-fat yogurt. Well, that isn&#039;t the same is it? The China Study observed less meat consumption. The recommendation is to eat no meat. Not the same. Although the authors &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study#Blood_cholesterol_levels_correlated_to_diet.2C_particularly_animal_protein&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;say it is. &lt;/a&gt;

I also think the science about cholesterol on which they, the China Study authors, based a bulk of their conclusions is changing and that there is more going on in the dynamic of heart disease and diet than we understand. Given all the &quot;&lt;a href=&quot;http://thehealthyskeptic.org/i-have-high-cholesterol-and-i-dont-care&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;paradoxes&lt;/a&gt;&quot; about saturated fat and cholesterol consumption around the world. The WHO explains Chronic Disease as related to diet and lifestyle and &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.who.int/dietphysicalactivity/publications/facts/chronic/en/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;urges people &lt;/a&gt;to replace saturated animal fats with vegetable oils, but that&#039;s what we&#039;ve been doing for the last 50 years and these problems have just gotten worse. So is the answer to keep with what we have been doing, but more? I don&#039;t think it is, I think we have to step back to the food cultures that kept us healthy for this long. But what do I know, I&#039;m not a scientist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I have not read the book, The China Study, but I&#8217;ve read some of the <a href="http://www.westonaprice.org/faq/792-faq-vegetarianism-and-veganism.html" rel="nofollow">back and forth comments</a> between critics and authors. Like most of the &#8220;to eat meat or not&#8221; debates both sides get emotional and downright snippy about the other side&#8217;s authority on the subject and even the other side&#8217;s moral character. And here is why I care very little about the results of the study or the findings in the book. Of course I read books like this quite a bit because the science gives us information we can use culturally to create authority on a subject- but when it comes to food, we used to just know. You didn&#8217;t have to prove yourself as a peer-reviewed academic to know that what you and your people had been eating for their whole history was the right stuff, because your people were healthy (or at lease did not see the kind of rampant chronic disease we now have) And people have eaten animal protein and have avoided chronic diseases. So I lament the fact that all this work is being done in a lab and through industry and not through a strong and delicious food culture like we have always had before. </p>
<p>The second point about this debate I find frustrating is again the point that there is no such thing as &#8220;meat&#8221;. No creature or entity is healthy on its own or healthy as someone else&#8217;s food (and aren&#8217;t we all, eventually, that) if we don&#8217;t get our optimal diet. Of course eating cow that ate corn isn&#8217;t going to work. For either the cow or the person.</p>
<p>I also don&#8217;t appreciate the extrapolation of many of these studies to more extreme diets than the one studied. For example the Mediterranean diet, you will see that they observed that they eat a good amount of yogurt and then the recommendation from this observation is to eat low-fat yogurt. Well, that isn&#8217;t the same is it? The China Study observed less meat consumption. The recommendation is to eat no meat. Not the same. Although the authors <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_China_Study#Blood_cholesterol_levels_correlated_to_diet.2C_particularly_animal_protein" rel="nofollow">say it is. </a></p>
<p>I also think the science about cholesterol on which they, the China Study authors, based a bulk of their conclusions is changing and that there is more going on in the dynamic of heart disease and diet than we understand. Given all the &#8220;<a href="http://thehealthyskeptic.org/i-have-high-cholesterol-and-i-dont-care" rel="nofollow">paradoxes</a>&#8221; about saturated fat and cholesterol consumption around the world. The WHO explains Chronic Disease as related to diet and lifestyle and <a href="http://www.who.int/dietphysicalactivity/publications/facts/chronic/en/" rel="nofollow">urges people </a>to replace saturated animal fats with vegetable oils, but that&#8217;s what we&#8217;ve been doing for the last 50 years and these problems have just gotten worse. So is the answer to keep with what we have been doing, but more? I don&#8217;t think it is, I think we have to step back to the food cultures that kept us healthy for this long. But what do I know, I&#8217;m not a scientist.</p>
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		<title>By: Douglas Dilts</title>
		<link>http://mindtomouth.org/2010/02/pollan-on-a-roll/comment-page-1/#comment-700</link>
		<dc:creator>Douglas Dilts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jun 2010 20:13:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you read the China Study? What do you think about it if you have?
Uncle &quot;D&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you read the China Study? What do you think about it if you have?<br />
Uncle &#8220;D&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: jenine</title>
		<link>http://mindtomouth.org/2010/02/pollan-on-a-roll/comment-page-1/#comment-609</link>
		<dc:creator>jenine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i missed this interview with pollen, and agree it is noteworthy and look forward to sharing it with people around here</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i missed this interview with pollen, and agree it is noteworthy and look forward to sharing it with people around here</p>
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		<title>By: jenine</title>
		<link>http://mindtomouth.org/2010/02/pollan-on-a-roll/comment-page-1/#comment-608</link>
		<dc:creator>jenine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Feb 2010 17:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks sage
keep on
can&#039;t wait to see you again soon</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks sage<br />
keep on<br />
can&#8217;t wait to see you again soon</p>
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		<title>By: The Goods Are Odd &#8250; Important New Book!</title>
		<link>http://mindtomouth.org/2010/02/pollan-on-a-roll/comment-page-1/#comment-606</link>
		<dc:creator>The Goods Are Odd &#8250; Important New Book!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Feb 2010 18:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The writer of my book turned out to be Shannon Hayes. An amazing women and great writer who turned her commitment to her household and her curiosity about this commitment into a book called Radical Homemakers. (I mentioned this upcoming work here, and it is basically a thesis of what Michael Pollen mentions when he talks about labor/time/gender and the ways in which these are linked to how we eat (see below)) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The writer of my book turned out to be Shannon Hayes. An amazing women and great writer who turned her commitment to her household and her curiosity about this commitment into a book called Radical Homemakers. (I mentioned this upcoming work here, and it is basically a thesis of what Michael Pollen mentions when he talks about labor/time/gender and the ways in which these are linked to how we eat (see below)) [...]</p>
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